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in

very

rare cases where offenders are caught red-handed

in the commission of atrocious Crime against the

Sovereign or in Ample Power & in active rebellion.

Under these circumstances it is evident that there is

one danger on the one hand & another; & between the two.

The Lords of the Admiralty & Governor of Hong Kong suggest

nothing short of a total & radical change in

the Criminal Code & practice of the Chinese Empire.

Their Lordships still see visions of slow death & torture, & would interdict all coercive

means of extorting evidence during the trial,

whether the criminal or witnesses are examined.

To be assured that both these ends are attained,

they suggest the presence of a British Agent both at the trial & the Execution.

I think it can hardly be necessary to enter into detail

in order to demonstrate to Y.L. how entirely impracticable such a scheme is.

A system of supervision & control must be avowedly to control

the administration of justice according to Chinese Law by Chinese Authorities.

This would be resented as an intolerable indignity & unwarranted interference

with their independent Sovereignty. No proposition of this nature therefore has a chance

of being listened to. They would at once refuse, but with anger & scorn.

The conditions they would not of their seeking & they would not receive them.

They would leave us to deal with Pirates & all other Chinese Criminals as we pleased.

I have not therefore proposed any further interference with their judicial administration,

which undoubtedly carries with it a liability to various methods,

strictly laid down by law, of questioning prisoners & witnesses,

torture being resorted to in every case where a confession is not made.

To call upon them to suspend or violate this part of their law would be equivalent

to a foreign Power insisting that we should dispense with all Evidence on oath,

our oath being our guarantee for truth; - that is, our oath that is, our warrant

torture is now as it was formerly.

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in very rare cases where offenders are caught red-handed in the commission of atrocious Crime against the Sovereign or in Ample Power & in active rebellion. Under these circumstances it is evident that there is one danger on the one hand & another; & between the two. The Lords of the Admiralty & Governor of Hong Kong suggest nothing short of a total & radical change in the Criminal Code & practice of the Chinese Empire. Their Lordships still see visions of slow death & torture, & would interdict all coercive means of extorting evidence during the trial, whether the criminal or witnesses are examined. To be assured that both these ends are attained, they suggest the presence of a British Agent both at the trial & the Execution. I think it can hardly be necessary to enter into detail in order to demonstrate to Y.L. how entirely impracticable such a scheme is. A system of supervision & control must be avowedly to control the administration of justice according to Chinese Law by Chinese Authorities. This would be resented as an intolerable indignity & unwarranted interference with their independent Sovereignty. No proposition of this nature therefore has a chance of being listened to. They would at once refuse, but with anger & scorn. The conditions they would not of their seeking & they would not receive them. They would leave us to deal with Pirates & all other Chinese Criminals as we pleased. I have not therefore proposed any further interference with their judicial administration, which undoubtedly carries with it a liability to various methods, strictly laid down by law, of questioning prisoners & witnesses, torture being resorted to in every case where a confession is not made. To call upon them to suspend or violate this part of their law would be equivalent to a foreign Power insisting that we should dispense with all Evidence on oath, our oath being our guarantee for truth; - that is, our oath that is, our warrant torture is now as it was formerly. Page 406 (No change is made to the original "Page 406" as per the instructions to preserve original page numbering)
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in

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rare.

cases where offenders are caught red handed

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